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PostSubject: Re: Dhuum Kills Bots <3   2010-05-28, 11:06 am

They look at chat logs and corresponding character action logs (as in you are getting points for something along with not saying anything).
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PostSubject: Re: Dhuum Kills Bots <3   2010-05-28, 11:10 am

thought that was kinda obvious =P
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PostSubject: Re: Dhuum Kills Bots <3   2010-05-28, 11:28 am

Heh, just clarifying cause you just mentioned chat logs. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Dhuum Kills Bots <3   2010-05-28, 6:36 pm

Going to post this ANet Support email that someone posted in that Guru "Allowed Or Not" thread:

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Hello,

I understand that you have concerns about the termination of your Guild Wars account. I would like to provide you with additional information that may be of assistance as you review your individual situation:

The accounts that were terminated on May 26th used a disallowed third-party program at some time in the past. That doesn’t mean the program was used within the last few days or even within the last few weeks, because the scope of our bot detection efforts extended over a long period of time. So any of the 3,700 accounts that were closed may have used a forbidden third-party program this week, last week, or even a few months ago. Some people may have installed and uninstalled a forbidden program a while ago, thinking it would not be detected. Obviously that wasn’t the case. Others may share a computer and not realize that someone else added a bot program to their system. And still others may not realize that the program that they were told was “harmless” or even “approved by ArenaNet” is actually a cheat program.

Some players have said they believe that their account was terminated because they used certain third-party programs such as TexMod or Guild Wars Multi-Client. We do not action the accounts of people who use these programs because in their original form they do not give players an inherent gameplay advantage. That has been true in the past; that remains true today. But the accounts that were terminated were not using such programs. Either the players involved were knowingly using cheat programs, or they were using what they thought were benign programs that had been altered, turning them from acceptable to unacceptable.

Please keep in mind that ArenaNet and NCsoft do not “approve” third-party programs. We know that we cannot ensure the integrity of programs that we did not create. So while we do not take action on the users of programs that are known to not give a player any gameplay advantages, establishing the integrity of any third-party program falls to the individual user.

I hope that this additional information is helpful to you. Please note that this is the final communication we will be giving in response to this appeal. Subsequent communication about this matter will be closed without response.

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Completely unsubstantiated, but someone on Guru is claiming that Players who got banned get their new accounts banned too. Apparently this guy claims he knows of banned players who have tried to buy new accounts from the in-game store but had those accounts immediately 'terminated' as well.

ANet is *NOT* fucking around, are they?

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PostSubject: Re: Dhuum Kills Bots <3   2010-05-28, 6:43 pm

It might be people who majorly botted on more than one account. I know many people were getting IP banned, so I bet they watch for those IP's and if they sign onto an account with that IP then they automatically get that account banned. That would be my guess.
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PostSubject: Re: Dhuum Kills Bots <3   2010-05-28, 6:59 pm

BTW, if KSMod really messes with your GW .dll files, I wouldn't trust that either, no matter if ANet says it's legal or not. Even if it isn't doing anything malicious, something like that could trigger a bot alarm.

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PostSubject: Re: Dhuum Kills Bots <3   2010-05-28, 7:02 pm

Yeah, the only thing I ever used was texmod and a multi launch. I wonder if the GWMultiLaunch isn't good, as they only mention GWx2 (then again it was only mentioned by a player). Hmmm.
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PostSubject: Re: Dhuum Kills Bots <3   2010-05-28, 7:10 pm

amaretto creme wrote:
Yeah, the only thing I ever used was texmod and a multi launch. I wonder if the GWMultiLaunch isn't good, as they only mention GWx2 (then again it was only mentioned by a player). Hmmm.


If anything GWx2 would be the "non-good" one, as it was discovered by imkey, the developer of GW Multi-Launch, that GWx2 actually makes changes to your GW.exe file. Once I found that out, I immediately re-downloaded fresh GW.exe files and deleted GWx2, never to use it again. I don't need to use it again anyways, as IMO GW Multi-Launch is much better and easier to use/maintain.

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PostSubject: Re: Dhuum Kills Bots <3   2010-05-28, 7:21 pm

Actually I just re-read the screens (as I'm reading KBar's QQ thread about getting banned on guru) and it says MultiLaunch, which I'm guessing IS the one we use. Lol
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PostSubject: Re: Dhuum Kills Bots <3   2010-05-29, 12:38 am

TideSwayer wrote:

Completely unsubstantiated, but someone on Guru is claiming that Players who got banned get their new accounts banned too. Apparently this guy claims he knows of banned players who have tried to buy new accounts from the in-game store but had those accounts immediately 'terminated' as well.

ANet is *NOT* fucking around, are they?




cebalrai said it best in that thread IMO:

cebalrai wrote:

I'm suspicious of the OP. I'd like to see proof that re-bans are happening.

And if they are happening, I bet it's because people still have detectable remnants of bots on their machines.


Yes, some people are THAT stupid to not get rid of the bot first.




Just want to note that Regina Buenaobra gave official word on this issue in that thread a little while ago:

Regina Buenaobra wrote:

If you purchase a brand new account, our Support Team will not take action on your account (i.e. ban it) so long as this new account remains free of any incidents requiring action from the Support Team. If you engage in activity that goes against the User Agreement and you are reported for it, this will attract the attention of the Support Team, at which point, they will take action if your account is found to have broken the User Agreement.
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PostSubject: Re: Dhuum Kills Bots <3   2010-05-29, 1:26 am

What's funny is... that actually kinda goes against their user agreement..... if it was meant for those who are buying second accounts and having them terminated right away...

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(h) Former Members. Members whose Accounts have been terminated by NC Interactive may not access the Service in any manner or for any reason, including through any other Account, without the express written permission of NC Interactive. Accounts accessed by Former Members are subject to immediate termination. NC Interactive reserves the right to use any means necessary, including those in section 4(i) to identify and remove Former Members.


I'm wondering if what she said was in response to those asking about GW2 in that thread (as the quote here is just for the GW1 user agreement), as a few people responded about it being about whether or not they'd be punished in the same manner in GW2 for it.
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