Prob need a talk with Sarge on where if any or what we want. With Steve retiring and I dont know if Sarge wants to put the time in to rebuild, maybe a new direction might be the only option. The issue is activity, does there need to be a new leader who is big into speed clears and has good relations with past members that can lead us out of this mess? I dont know. Like I stated the guild shouldn't be a parking garage for past members, to me thats just not fair to those who are looking for people to hang out with and play. So either let it die in peace and dont bring it back or someone step up to the plate.

To be honest, I am so over it. I came back to have fun in this game from my 1 year hiatus and thought that bringing back some fun to the ECTOs world was a good start. Apparently I was foolish to think this. People come and go (I have done it myself on more than one occasion), but I thought we were all past that point. I say let it die, I will give it to my alt account and let ECTOs just collect virtual dust from here on out. I have no prob in clearing the roster, done it once, more than willing to do it again. I am here for my friends, both past and future. I want to have fun, not have it be a part-time job. So I will think about it and have a talk with Chris, Mike and Laynie (and only those 3 as they are the former and current members of the guild still on the roster) and see what's gonna happen.

I guess the way I see it is this be mah gw home! I don't care how many people are on at once, I just like being able to talk to familiar people that just like to shoot the shit and maybe do some title grinding right now. I could care less about SC's cause I really just wanna work on my titles, though I would re-learn them if necessary, but I like to be able to log on and say hi to the guild if people are on.

I know it's gonna be hard to recruit and get a guild back up and going with the state the game itself is in, and it WILL become a part time job, I feel, because of the state of the game. It's not as smooth as it used to be and it's gonna be hard to keep people's interest in the guild itself.

Like I said, I like just being able to chat with friends when I get online, and that's all that really matters to me. Good friends make boring grinding times more amusing. XD

Missed Sarge's text, so didn't get to respond - but too late. Guild must have been disbanded.

-sigh- Oh well... If anyone wants to at least sit in a guild, once I get back into End (since I can't right at this time cause, well, I'm at my mom's and her computer is SHITE), I can send invites, but it probably won't be too crazy active...

I'll come with you Laynie, if you think that is a good idea. I tend to be on like around every 2-3 days, but logging on and seeing that I was kicked I guess I wasn't on enough. I suppose false hope for sustaining guild activity is more important than community, and ECTOs seems to be not the place for me which is fine, as I said in the "Won't be around [ECTOs] for a while?" thread IMO it doesn't matter whether we're in a roster or not as long as we're keeping in touch.

No, it had nothing to do with you "not being around" and everything to do with the guild roster is empty, lol. I'm pretty sure it's just the guild is disbanded now. That's it.

Would like to add: I'm so over this being discussed or discussing it. Non-SC or title grind GW is dead. Most of the guild moved on from this or any drama on the topic halfway through the year.

@Laynie: Yeh. I heard from Link that everybody got kicked. IMO unnecessary and it's sad to see it happen, but the whole thing and whatever happens in GW1 is just very insignificant. Catchya online.

To above and all, it was my choice to do it, and if anyone has a problem with it, please blame me and no one else. I decided to do it. I had real life stuff to do and no one else wanted to step up and put the time in to rebuild or get the guild going. Personal achievements outweighed the guild goals. So I just nipped it in the bud. I wish everyone the best of luck, if you ever need help on anything or want to learn PvP or anything, just hit me up.

Main account: Menzies Disciple
Alt: Halls Of Heroez

OMG THEY CAN RESTORE HACKED ACCOUNTS NOW!

On Topic: Can someone describe in 1 sentence what happened to ECTOs?

I can describe it in three words:

Not enough activity.

Lies! It's your fault Zephy.

I do kinda have to agree with Zephy. I was a bit confused about what was wanted as well since I kept reading all these different stories of what was wanted. From what I originally read, it was just to get everyone back together in the same place and possibly get a few others who wanted to join us in GW2 or whatever... No idea that you wanted to REBUILD rebuild the guild (that sounds like a song). I mean, yeah, it's nice to have a decently active guild, but I wasn't expecting anything huge because of what was initially said.

Zephyyyyy they can come to End when I get back to my own computerbox? Lol

honestly, I just have NO room on my flist for ANYONE. A guild roster can be taken as another flist for me. lol

Let me guess to understand:

When I was contacted it was to rebuild. All officers and members should have seen that for one reason and one alone: the guru thread of recruitment. If ECTOs was just going to be used as a hangout then why recruit?

I know firsthand more than most how hard it is to be guild leader when your officers and members don't have the desire for the guild but just themselves. When former members were asked (officers mind you) to join they had no desire to, they were happy where they were, the ones that did could have stepped up, but they chose not to. Instead it was secondary accounts or whatever in YUM's Alliance was their main concern. All I saw was wait 'til Steve gets on or Jason. Either way I saw this coming awhile ago with bickering in guild chat etc, a lot of "he said, she said" stuff, thus keeping in contact with Sarge via text or cell. There is no blame - there was just no desire. The ones who could have stepped up decided to do what they always have done: talk a big game then leave. (...And no this isn't about Steve quitting. Hell, if anyone needed a break it was him.)

Miscommunication happens. Just because there's a guru thread up honestly doesn't mean anything because if I'm hearing one thing and seeing another it means that someone is thinking one thing and others are thinking others. I just had no idea wtf was going on. If I knew what page we ACTUALLY wanted to be on, then I would have been more driven to do something one way or another, but seeing as I felt like I was running around in circles like a chicken with my head cut off not knowing what the FINAL decision was, it's pretty clear as to why I didn't really do a whole lot. Cause I didn't know WHAT was wanted as it wasn't CLEARLY stated.

And I'm sorry, but if there were intentions to do one thing with the guild, I'm not going to go and do something else against what was wanted, which is why I didn't "step up" and "do what I could" for the guild because I didn't know what direction to go in. And telling me that I should just know isn't fair to me when I'm sitting here hearing about 10 different ideas that all say they came from the same source...

And no, I'm not blaming anyone, I'm just saying I couldn't get any straight ideas, and therefore, the drive COULDN'T be there.

moot

I agree there prob should have been a some sort of meeting between u guys and figured it out from there. Then it would have had a clear picture or focus per say.

Yeah, definitely. I would have been all like "alright, let's do this" if I know what "this" was supposed to be. LOL

I'm sick for a week and the guild is gone...

Can honestly say I saw this coming as soon as it was said we were recruiting people for SCs and having "large" base of active players. Which seemed to go against Steve's original "rebuilding" post of the guild.

Trying not to say I told you so... BUT I TOLD YOU SO.

What happened to having a guild where we knew each other, didn't have pressure to recruit and could overall hang out, play solo, play together, shoot shit and fuck the dog?

I was in ECTOs for the people that were in it, not the potential people it could have in it....